tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-133521035538248322.post383268179775947109..comments2023-12-24T05:39:44.753-06:00Comments on Mike Klonsky's Blog: Weekend QuotablesMike Klonskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02017021676773731024noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-133521035538248322.post-65174190855978022512009-03-01T21:51:00.000-06:002009-03-01T21:51:00.000-06:00Wow Leonie! First Obama is an "extension of Bush" ...Wow Leonie! First Obama is an "extension of Bush" on education. Now the leverage from his stimulus is "more dangerous--and damaging" than Gates and Broad combined. What's next, the old Hitler card?Mike Klonskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02017021676773731024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-133521035538248322.post-27952289184225569492009-03-01T21:29:00.000-06:002009-03-01T21:29:00.000-06:00The ideological framework expressed by Obama so fa...The ideological framework expressed by Obama so far, with emphasis on charter schools, performance pay, and data systems, has been very disappointing. the only good part of his proposals is more overall funding. <BR/><BR/>But some of that funding is scary; ie the $5 billion slush fund that Duncan will control. This financial leverage is potentially even more dangerous - and damaging -- to school districts nationwide than the Gates and Broad foundations put together.Leonie Haimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17317355552298136811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-133521035538248322.post-2403812044012576372009-02-26T17:46:00.000-06:002009-02-26T17:46:00.000-06:00The Wharf is fine. Sure. Alioto's is good; we migh...The Wharf is fine. Sure. Alioto's is good; we might see Michael Savage. Any chance Jon Schnur and LDH can join us? It would be an interesting evening for me.<BR/>best<BR/>RPRogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632151659721443088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-133521035538248322.post-45737662923041660362009-02-26T17:24:00.000-06:002009-02-26T17:24:00.000-06:00Roger and Margo,I look forward to our dinner toget...Roger and Margo,<BR/><BR/>I look forward to our dinner together. Can we eat at the Wharf?<BR/><BR/>MKMike Klonskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02017021676773731024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-133521035538248322.post-4738571290795161682009-02-25T04:55:00.000-06:002009-02-25T04:55:00.000-06:00Roger doesn't think the comments section of your b...Roger doesn't think the comments section of your blog is a good place to carry on the debate. I wonder why not? I was hoping he would make his case in support of Diane Ravitch's attack on Obama and Duncan so I could learn why he wants you to apologize.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-133521035538248322.post-78174726917222384672009-02-24T23:55:00.000-06:002009-02-24T23:55:00.000-06:00Wow-I don't post comments often, but this is first...Wow-I don't post comments often, but this is first time I got such a rapid response.<BR/>Thank you for your thoughts.<BR/>I thought of many things to say to you in response. I was going to quote Deborah Meier, who I thought you might find more credible than me.<BR/>But in the end, I don't think the comments section of your blog is a great place to carry on this conversation.<BR/>So let me just say that if you are proven to be right, and I'm wrong;if LDH continues to support all of Obama's educational policies; if he changes the punitive nature of NCLB;I'll take you out to dinner the next time you're in San Francisco. <BR/>Notice I didn't even mention changing the role of high stakes testing, data systems, or charter schools.<BR/>best<BR/>RogerRogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632151659721443088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-133521035538248322.post-51061639651308249772009-02-24T22:16:00.000-06:002009-02-24T22:16:00.000-06:00Roger and Margo,Thanks for your comments.You obvio...Roger and Margo,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments.<BR/><BR/>You obviously agree with Diane Ravitch that Obama is "an extension" of Bush on education. I feel silly even arguing the case with you although I've heard the same line of reasoning from several progressive educators. But the idea is so far removed from my own experience and from the people in the community and teachers and parents that I know, that I can't believe progressive people could actually say it right now. <BR/><BR/>I do think the education part of Obama's speech was the weakest part. He has obviously drunk the kool-aid on charters. He left most other important issues like NCLB re-authorization up in the air. Of course, as you might imagine I disagree with making global competition our starting point. <BR/><BR/>But I wonder why you only mention the points you obviously don't like. You make it clear that you oppose any stimulus money going to charter schools, data systems or performance pay. But what about new school construction, early childhood support, increases in Headstart and massive investment in heath care for children? What about saving hundreds of schools from closing and thousands of teachers jobs? <BR/><BR/>As for your points about the reasons Linda Darling-Hammond went back to Stanford, I would prefer to hear those from her. So far, she has said just the opposite and certainly hasn't made the Obama/Bush connection. So let's leave her out of this debate.<BR/><BR/>You haven't convinced me that Obama is the same as Bush on public education. When and if you ever do, I will apologize to Diane. But you sure didn't make that case here.Mike Klonskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02017021676773731024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-133521035538248322.post-82833469481955016442009-02-24T21:27:00.000-06:002009-02-24T21:27:00.000-06:00After listening to Obama's speech, and reading abo...After listening to Obama's speech, and reading about Duncan's speech in New York, I think you owe Diane Ravitch an apology. More money for data systems, merit pay, charter schools. No word on any of the issues I read your blog because I love your focus on the kids....Linda Darling Hammond left just in time...I believe she was either left in disappointment about what was to come.<BR/>To quote Diane:<BR/>"I am sorely disappointed in Arne Duncan. I don't see any change from the mean, punitive version of accountability that the Bush administration foisted on the nation's schools."<BR/>And it doesn't sound to me like George Miller is going to do much to stop it. <BR/>But I'd love to be proved wrong.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06632151659721443088noreply@blogger.com